Morgan Parker: Chosen Ancestors

Everybody's looking for love — including this week's guest! In this episode, Michelle Tea is joined by legendary writer Morgan Parker for a conversation about finding magic in the mundane, living life as a future ancestor, and having a daily nothing practice. Michelle pulls cards on Morgan’s love life, then, Vera Blossom teaches us how make an ita-bag to channel your fandom into.

Morgan Parker: It’s fun for me to think like about the off-camera stuff that is like something magical is happening when this person is just like hanging out on their couch. I tend to think about the moments when one is not consciously performing.

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Michelle Tea: This is Your Magic. I’m Michelle Tea. Today I get to hang out and read cards for the incredible writer Morgan Parker, author of the Young Adult novel Who Put This Song On?, the poetry collection Magical Negro, and other stunning literary works. We’re going to talk about magical moments, Sagittarius moons, and having a daily nothing practice.

After that, producer Vera Blossom is going to share a pop-obsessed spell you can make at home and wear on the street.

Stay with us.

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Michelle Tea: Sometimes I think that my biggest, longest, most intimate and intense magical practice has been being a fan. Yes, a fan. Short for fanatic, and it has occasionally earned that title - like when I waited outside Billy Idol’s hotel  for sixteen hours so that I could tell him I loved him. Or when I stood in the freezing cold Bostonian winter in a pair of purple shorts trying to win Prince tickets. Or, before I got sober, getting so deeply, psychedelically obsessed with a certain musician I’m way too embarrassed to name that I actually believed he was probably dreaming of me; my energy towards him was so powerful, I just thought he had to be feeling it in some mysterious way. Yeah. Fanatic.

There’s a way of thinking about the artists who move us as sorcerers. If you’re like me, sensitive to art and music, sentiment and passion, you might have also had the experience of falling under a musician’s spell, feeling enchanted by an actress, mesmerized by a painting. I have so many memories like this - feeling my heart catch in my throat as chanteuse Justin Vivian Bond wailed her cover of Nina Simone’s 22nd Century live in San Francisco. Oh, I’ll never forget it. Experiencing euphoria whilst in the front row of a TV on the Radio show whilst in the throes of PMS. I had a legit spiritual high from gazing at a Mark Rothko for an extended period of time once. I got the chills from a committed lip synch at a drag club.The list goes on.

As an artist myself, someone who hopes to provoke strong feelings in the hearts of strangers via my words, it feels so good to devote myself to the artistic production of another. The ego that so often traps me while I’m creating is blissfully gone when I’m enraptured by a song, a performance, a piece of art that seems to go through my eyeballs and straight to my brain. That sense of egolessness, it’s a teaching in so many spiritual practices. It’s as close as I’ve come to feeling one with the universe.

When I was younger, I confused the blissful feelings I got with the artist who inspired them. Which was really fun. I loved painting my favorite band on the back of my leather jacket, waiting outside backstage doors to give them flowers. Now, while I still enjoy the thrill of fanaticism, I sort of think that the output of any artist, while it comes through them, it’s not necessarily of them. Creativity is so deeply mysterious, mystical, call it sacred even, I won’t fight you. Inspiration is magic. Maybe the reason certain pieces of art can make us feel one with the universe is because that’s what the artist was channeling. The big, beautiful, magical universe. 

Here’s Morgan Parker.

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Michelle Tea: Hi, Morgan Parker, thank you so much for being a guest on Your Magic. 

Morgan Parker: Thank you. I’m so excited to be here.

Michelle Tea: My first question for you, Morgan, is, I mean, I kind of know the answer, but I just want the details, is like, do you have a magic or spiritual practice? What does it look like?

Morgan Parker: I've been trying to be quiet and still. That's like a new hard thing that's been like four therapists long, everyone telling me to be quiet and still. I do take moments throughout the day to pause and connect myself historically in the world. I think a lot about ancestry and lineage and - and included in that is also future generations. So I guess my practice is more that kind of reminder of myself within a larger story.  

I think we can be so very stuck in our own — I mean, for me, my mind, but also just like our own present-day like nerves. So, yeah, I have you know, I have a little lipstick case of my grandmother's. I have photos of - of family and just kind of little things all around my house that I kind of ... that make me kind of pause and remind me that it's not just me here. 

Because I'm not super disciplined person, so I like to just kind of be constantly reminded by things and I pace a lot. So I'm able to just kind of look around and be reminded of all the - all the stuff that makes me rather than all the stuff I'm feeling. 

Michelle Tea: Do you think about yourself as a future ancestor?

Morgan Parker: Yeah, absolutely. People, a lot of people know this, but I, I'm like bullshit on linear time. I think it's… It's just too easy and like things can't work that way. I don't feel like we're here, just this, like, generation. I kind of need to depend on that, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I can't imagine being trapped on one kind of plane of existence and not being able to kind of understand the other planes. 

Michelle Tea: When you say it like that, it does feel very stressful.

Morgan Parker: I know. [laughs]

Michelle Tea: Just to know just to be boxed in in this dimension, in this time, space-time continuum. 

Morgan Parker: Right? Yeah. 

Michelle Tea: So really, there's like other timelines that are already having you on their altar as like their chosen ancestor. I like this. How would you like to be revered by these people? 

Morgan Parker: I want to be the like ... the like "will encourage you to do what you're nervous to do" the like, "fuck it, just go ahead," you know? That's like what I want to spread. And, yeah, that just continuing that idea of community that spans time and space, you know, that presence, I feel like. If I, yeah, I depend upon that kind of like presence of a whole team of folks around me, you know?

Michelle Tea: Both like astrally and in the physical world. That’s so cool. I mean, do you ever, I mean, I was thinking about community magic and I'm wondering if there's a way of thinking about our communities as these sort of covens and that the things that we do with our people as a sort of spell casting. You know? 

Morgan Parker: You know, I think there's a really exciting idea space that comes and obviously, you know, most of my friends are writers and artists, so there's that already. 

Michelle Tea: So there's a lot of magic happening. 

Morgan Parker: There's a lot going on. You know, it's like you get all of these brains and feelings together and it is palpable, you know, to feel that kind of like electric shock all around the table, you know, and realizing that the kind of kooky things that you're dreaming up are very connected to the things that your folks are also thinking about and I find that to be really encouraging in the art and literary worlds in particular. It's like very grounding, like, "oh, OK, I understand you're doing the exact same thing you just did in performance art." You know, it's it's encouraging to be part of a larger again, like a larger story, you know? And I feel more myself when I can be located within that.

Michelle Tea: Who are your chosen ancestors? 

Morgan Parker: I mean, I don't think of it in terms of people that, you know, I feel necessarily connected to in terms of lineage, you know, in terms of almost like influences. Less that more kind of... Yeah, figures that are like heroic to me... 

Michelle Tea: Yes. 

Morgan Parker:  ...or that I call upon all the time. Harriet Tubman is like the OG of just the - the number one badass. I mean.

Michelle Tea: Like a superhero. 

Morgan Parker:  Like a superhero but also a human. And I think a lot about that. Like that — that was just a lady, you know, and it's who did things that are outside of the realm of what we consider humanity. 

Fred Hampton is someone that I think about a lot because... because he was killed when he was 21 and he was already so - and so influential and so had really worked out a beautiful philosophy and idea for how to move forward and yeah. I just miss folks like that. And - and I often think just about ... that his life was cut off and just remembering that there is - there are people that we have to fulfill the work that they left behind, Like, how can I honor these folks in my daily living, you know, to thank them really? I mean, I have a Fred Hampton tattoo so I don't forget, you know? 

Michelle Tea: Oh my God. 

Morgan Parker: Again, like just needing to be reminded. 

Michelle Tea: That's so devotional, though, that's really beautiful. It's like your body is a little - a little ancestral altar, right? 

Morgan Parker: It totally is. Zora Neale Hurston's here, you know? 

Michelle Tea: My God, that's so fantastic. Wow. 

Morgan Parker: What else are tattoos for, you know? 

Michelle Tea: I mean, it's really true. Like, that's a great attitude to have towards tattoos. You know, you're a fan of pop culture and you really — you elevate pop culture within your poetry in this way that's really beautiful and it just makes me wonder if - if there's also a sort of like mystical or devotional aspect of being sort of a fan beyond what we were talking about. Fred Hampton and Harriet Tubman, obviously, they're such revered historical figures and I'm also — but I'm also wondering about, like, more pop culture, you know, like more lowbrow, as the critics would call it, you know? 

Morgan Parker: Totally. Yeah. I mean, I think about Diana Ross a lot and some of these are like magical Negroes that showed up in my book. There were so many other particular magical Negroes that I wanted to write about... They still, like, keep coming up for me. I was watching that documentary with Muhammad Ali and George Foreman, When We Were Kings, and there's this shot of George Foreman in this incredible, like matching denim-embroidered — like floral embroidery on denim — suit with a matching hat. And he's getting off the plane in Africa and walking his dog in front of him in this phenomenal outfit. And I'm just like that... Like that's a moment in time, you know? Like that is an electrifying, sparkling moment. 

Michelle Tea: What do you think is the role of the sort of mundane and ordinary in -  in magic and magical practice? Because I get what you're saying. It's like this is a historic moment, right? In our culture. And like an incredibly profound moment for these two men who are like returning to Africa or going for the first time, you know, like ancestrally returning. But there is also a dude getting off a plane, right? 

Morgan Parker: Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like I'm - I'm much more like activated by those - those small moments within the larger moments or - or I mean and it's similar to my poetry where I'm looking at something pretty quotidian or surface level, but I'm seeing this bigger thing and it's not necessarily — like even if he wasn't going to this big monumental fight, it would still be this interesting little morsel that I could see something big happening in that small moment, you know?

Michelle Tea: Yeah. 

Morgan Parker: And so that is - is fun for me to think like about the off-camera stuff that is like something magical is happening when this person is just like hanging out on their couch, you know, like feeling themselves and like, you know, eating leftovers.  Like there's - there are magic moments. I find that they're - they're more ... they can often feel more authentic. I think performance can be really tricky and sometimes we can even trick ourselves about what is performative. So I tend to think about the moments when one is not consciously performing. 

Michelle Tea: What do your poems feel like when they come to you? I mean, I'm getting a little bit of insight just from you talking about this George Foreman poem that's sort of brewing — I'm going to be so psyched when you write that, I'm going to be like, oh, I feel like I got the behind the scenes, you know? But yeah. What is it? What - what - what is that like? 

Morgan Parker: Sometimes it's scary. Where I get a thought and I'm like, not really sure what to do with it, and sometimes the poem is like calling and I feel afraid of the impulse, you know, and I kind of have to, like, warm myself to the page. 

I mean, part of it is that mystery and unknown, and when something feels promising, when writing feels promising to me is when it feels scariest, because I know that something is going to unfold, but I don't know what that thing is. And like, I know the task ahead, but the rest is - is very dark. And so that's exciting. And it's - it's...That is what you want when you sit down. But it's also scary. Yeah, just like a fear of my own brain, you know? Like what will happen once I go in this direction? 

Michelle Tea: I can't believe I've waited this long to ask you this, but like what is your astrological makeup?

Morgan Parker: Oh my God. Okay.

Michelle Tea: Who are you? How did all of this happen? How did you happen? 

Morgan Parker: It's a lot going on. Sag Sun and moon and Mercury and Saturn there's I think, six placements in Sag.

Michelle Tea: Wow. That's extreme, to have six placements of any planet. And Sag is already the planet of Extra. It's the Extra sign ruled by the Extra planet. 

Morgan Parker: Exactly. My, my rising is Gemini.

Michelle Tea: Which is so similar to Sag, don't you think?

Morgan Parker: It's so similar.

Michelle Tea: They're like the same but they're just different at - a different elemental manifestation of a very similar energy I think. 

Morgan Parker: Exactly. So my chart is actually really hard for me to kind of work with because of that, because I feel like there's usually so much interplay in sun, moon and rising and because the sun and rising are on opposite sides of the zodiac and kind of like have that mirror of each other and because the moon is the same, it's...  There's not that many elements to compare and contrast and all of that stuff. 

My chart, I wish it had a little more Earth. I don't think I even have that much water, but I'm obviously like one of the most emotional people I've ever met so I don't know.

Michelle Tea: A Sag moon — I have a Sag Moon also — I was just reading about that and it's like we're the biggest crybabies. 

Morgan Parker: It's true.

Michelle Tea: Like our emotions are on ten and we need to express them. We're not like ever going to go cry in the corner. I always think I'm going to be - like whenever I go through something or have a heartache, I'm like, well, they'll see. I'm just going to shut down. 

Morgan Parker: Right. 

Michelle Tea: I'm just going to shut right down and I'm just going to... 

Morgan Parker: They don't see it.

Michelle Tea: I'm just going to go in the corner and I'm just going to become one of these stoic people now. And it's like, no, I'm not. I'm going to write a memoir about it and I'm going to blast it and, you know. 

Morgan Parker: But we do need a chance, and I think we're so good at doing that right? Of just like turning it publicly into gold.

Michelle Tea: We try. 

Morgan Parker: But it's still like we're - we're dealing with that. Yeah, I have quite a few friends that have Sag Moons, and they're the ones where it's like — we can safely, like, cry together because people don't understand and everyone thinks we're good.

Michelle Tea: Do you have like a daily — are you like a person with a daily tarot practice or? 

Morgan Parker: I have a daily nothing practice like that is something. 

Michelle Tea: Of course, Sagittarius. 

Morgan Parker: Yeah, I haven't quite located any kind of daily anything, but I do try, you know, at least once a week just so I can ... just so I can like look at the pictures, really, and be in touch with all the different elements I guess because.

Michelle Tea: Totally.

Morgan Parker:  Yeah, it's hard to remember all of the elements.

Michelle Tea: Do you think it's it's easier or that like writers have like a natural sort of gift or a predisposition for reading cards? Like do you think it's something that comes a little bit more naturally to us on some level? 

Morgan Parker: Probably. I mean, it feels so much like analyzing a poem or a story or whatever. I mean, and you really are reading a narrative. So it follows to me, you know, or at least it lives in that same area of my brain and then, in addition, there's this other part of like my heart that goes with it.

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Michelle Tea: Well, I have this deck here. What's up for you? Is there anything you want additional insight into? Is there a quandary? Are there different options? What might there be?

Morgan Parker: I am the most basic of bitches and I've been asking the same questions of eight balls since I was 10. So it's a love life reading for me. 

Michelle Tea: Excellent. I like to think of them as classics, not basic, but ok.

Morgan Parker: Yeah. And I guess, in a larger context, intimacy and maintaining that and attracting that. 

Michelle Tea: OK, so - so is the question right now like are you looking to kind of like have more activity in the love sphere? Is that like what's - what you're wanting?

Morgan Parker: Yeah. Or like any activity.

Michelle Tea: OK, so first let's do what does the love sphere look like? And we're looking at this like into the future. Maybe I feel like my readings are usually into the next six months. They're not... They're not too long. So what does like the next sort of season of love look like in this - in this sphere? OK. All right, card number one, The Chariot. 

Morgan Parker: OK. All right, all right. 

Michelle Tea: That's strong. 

Morgan Parker: Chariot's an interesting one.

Michelle Tea: Yeah, The Chariot is an interesting one and it's so funny because it's like also the chariot of war. And then you get the Princess of Swords and she's a fighter. She is definitely destroying the temple, destroying the temple of love, and then Abundance, Morgan, Three of Cups. 

Morgan Parker: Wow. I got Three Of Cups? That is maybe the first time I’ve ever gotten that card.

Michelle Tea: I'm happy to be giving it to you. I mean... Can I ask you, like you were saying, you've been in therapy and like you've been asking this question. I mean, is this is like your relationship to love and to intimacy, is it something that you sort of hashing out in therapy? Is it something that like that you're kind of working on?

Morgan Parker: Yeah, it's like my last frontier, you know? Like I have completed all of the... All the original goals I set out for myself as a kid other than that. 

Michelle Tea: Oh my god. Congratulations. 

Morgan Parker: And yeah, thanks. I mean, I — now I have new ones but, you know, there was a phase where I hit that and still, there was this and - and then I hit other goals and still there was this. So it kind of remains this like mysterious... I mean my - my Venus is in Capricorn. 

Michelle Tea: Oh, God. Me too. 

Morgan Parker: Really? 

Michelle Tea: So weird, isn't it? 

Morgan Parker: It's so confusing to me because Capricorn feels very foreign to - to me in my way. So I guess that, you know, that helps illuminate because it really is an area that is hard for me to figure out and I am, you know, frankly, like becoming scared of how hard it is to figure out with every single year. And yeah, I think I just need... Something's got to change. 

Michelle Tea: Right. 

Morgan Parker: But I feel a little bit static.

Michelle Tea: This is so interesting. So this is what I've learned about Capricorn, because it's always been a mystery to me, too, as somebody who's deeply ungrounded, totally - a total wildling. But I'm older now and what I've - what I've figured out about the Capricorn... First of all, it's like Capricorn — it's, you know how it's the mountain goat? It wants to climb. It wants to ascend. So there's something about in relationship, in partnership, in intimacy, has to feel like it's going somewhere, which can be hard if you're a free spirit and you're like, "I don't know, what is a relationship?" Let's just, you know, be astral lovers. You know, it's like your - your Venus. Capricorn will be like, "No, actually, can we get some structure? I'd like you to sign." And that can be very... a source of conflict maybe with the rest of your chart. 

There's also something about it's very loyal, right? But also, Capricorn is a sign that gets younger with age. And so there's actually something about like I hear you saying, like, oh, time is running out, you know, which is also very. That's also very Capricorn. Like Capricorn will always remind you that time is running out. But - but weirdly, it also gets younger with age. So I'm just wondering if in your - in your love sphere, you will find that you actually have more looseness and freedom and liberation and fun and less blocked roads as you age. So I don't think you necessarily need to worry about that. But getting back to these three cards, starting with The Chariot, I mean, like go for it. I mean, you got to do something — I'm like you gotta do something!

Morgan Parker: Right? I know.

Michelle Tea: Yeah, you do. You get it. I mean, The Chariot is action, right? And it's just like it's - it's a little fearless because it's so - it's so meaningful. It's so meaningful. It's a Cancer card. And you actually have two Cancer cards, which is a big deep love card, right? And so it's like you've - you actually are like such a loving being. Like it sounds so cheesy to be like you got a lot of love to give, but you do. Like you really do.

Morgan Parker: Yeah, I feel that. I feel that.

Michelle Tea: This Princess of Swords, she's interesting paired with The Chariot because she is — I'm trying to figure out how to read her in a love reading — she's really she's a little harsh, but her harshness is often called for, right? Like in this scenario, she's - she's destroying the temple, but the temple is corrupt. It needs to come down. You could ask to talk to the manager, but that's not her style. And not all situations call for that kind of style, sometimes you need to burn down the temple. So it's making me wonder, like, what aspects of your temple of love need to be destroyed, you know? And that's why I like that like, this is something that you hash out in therapy. Therapy is in the realm of the swords. It's the realm of the mind. So it's like continuing to do that, continuing to tear down false narratives, false beliefs, you know, like, um, internalized bullshit that doesn't need to be there so that you can keep - so that in its place can grow this beautiful sense of Abundance with these beautiful cards and communicating love. And it's like really interesting. It's like I don't know if it's hard for you to sort of communicate your desires or loves or vulnerabilities in that way. But this is definitely pushing you to do that. Like I would say, if you've got your eye on — you're like, “I don't like it.” 

Morgan Parker: Vulnerability, huh? 

Michelle Tea: I mean, that's the paradox, right? And that's this. 

Michelle Tea: And that and I also I do want to say this is the shadow side of her. She's very not vulnerable. Like she's that person who's just like my way or the highway. I'm coming in and I'm trashin' this place and it's like we love her for that in some scenarios, she can be a little tough in love. So it's like what - what defenses might you have around feeling vulnerable, you know, that can end up keeping love a little at bay when that's not really what you want. That's not your highest goal. Looking at that part of yourself that feels scared of love and so wants to poke in the eye with your stick, you know? Just like getting to know that that little Princess of Swords and being like, it's OK. You don't -

Morgan Parker: Yeah. 

Michelle Tea: You don't have to protect the temple because I'm The Chariot. I actually have this covered. Like, I actually know how to be in a relationship. I know how to be a human. I know how - I know that I want love. I know how to do it. And I'm just going to go for it.

Morgan Parker:  Yeah. She's very like in the way, I feel that. But I feel The Chariot energy also.

Michelle Tea: The Chariot is bigger than her, right? It's a major arcana. And she's a court card. She's like actually is very vulnerable, really. She's just like this little person, right? 

Morgan Parker: Right. 

Michelle Tea: She's got a helmet. But like, that's it. And then The Chariot, it's like you've got all this beautiful golden armor and it's just - it's like you're protected. Like you don't need to be this like on the attack little because like you're actually like you're - you're actually safe. And it's just like maybe somehow knowing that you're safe or allowing yourself to be like, OK, I don't feel like I'm safe, but I'm going to act as if I'm safe.

And just sort of knowing that, like, you can handle yourself like and if - and if it feels bad to be vulnerable, you'll be able to pick yourself up after that, because look what's on the other side of it. It's three beautiful pomegranate cups being filled with lotus water. Yum. 

Morgan Parker: That's the stuff. 

Michelle Tea: These are all Sag problems that you're having. OK, listen, what if you assembled a coterie — did I use that word, pronounce that properly — like a group of your friends who you love and trust and you say to them, "You're in charge of my dating app." I want you to take flattering pictures of me and I want you to write my profile. What if you do that? It's out of your hands and it turns into a weird collaboration with your friends that since we were talking about how communities are sort of like covens and their actions are like spells, could it be a sort of a love spell for you? 

Morgan Parker: I will take up this challenge. 

Michelle Tea: I like you taking this challenge. I feel like that Cancer card wants action. And honestly, Cancer is your family — chosen and otherwise — so why not involve your family? It's like, yeah, there is no like family match, you know, local community matchmaker.

Morgan Parker: Something so large doesn't feel like it should be outside of community, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like I want input or I want something, some kind of involvement and investment from my people.

Michelle Tea: I love that. I guess. OK, you're going to have like a board of advisors. Your Tinder account has an advisory board. 

Morgan Parker: I feel good about that. 

Michelle Tea: Yeah, they will take your pictures. They will write the copy. And just watch out, watch out for that Princess of Swords that you're not being unduly harsh or unduly saying no. It's going to push your comfort level a little bit. But like, can you push your comfort level a little bit and, like, open it up a little bit?

Morgan Parker: That is the most Sag thing is like, “yes, let me learn forever, you know, and let me like philosophize about how to be in the world.” So it really is just a matter of... yeah, wanting to bring someone into that and not kind of change my - my ways. But my ways being, you know, trying to figure out what I need to do to, you know, move forward or whatever. If everyone - if everyone that buys my book just like say a prayer for me to find love, you know what I mean?

Michelle Tea: Do you hear that, listeners? 

Morgan Parker:  Readers, please. Help me.

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Vera Blossom: Howdy, folks. I’m Vera Blossom, a producer here at Your Magic and today I’ve got a spell that you can channel your fandom into. Fandom can be seen as this foolishly obsessive thing, especially in women, but it can also be beautiful to have so much passion. You can use this spell to channel your devotion into a traveling altar, one that will bring out your most passionate fangirl who couldn’t possibly feel embarrassed or self-conscious about her enthusiasm. By the end, you’ll have a beacon of dopamine you can look at to remind yourself of how much love and positive feeling you’re capable of. 

This traveling altar is an ita-bag, which is essentially a bag that is covered in fan paraphernalia like pins, stickers, and patches. Ita-bag translates to painful bag in Japanese, referring to the pain that you put your bag through by pricking it full of pins or the pain you put your wallet through for buying so much fandom merch. But, I think that sometimes, we can feel so much passion for something that it physically hurts us, too. 

First, you’ll need an obsession. A fave. Someone you stan hard.. It can be anything or anyone. Your favorite musician, a band, a character from a TV show — anything that captures your imagination. Then, you’ll need a tote bag. From there - it’s fair game. Gather or make pins with your fave printed on it or print out some photos on iron-on paper. Anything that you can use to dedicate to your icon. 

Channel all your passion into your hands and start decorating your ita bag. Cover it in all the merch. Safety pin magazine cut outs, write lyrics in sharpie, cover every inch in pins you bought on eBay. Tell a story with your decorations. Take however long you need whether it’s a few hours or days or even weeks. Once you’re done, you have an ita bag, an altar to your devotion. Allow yourself to change the pins out as your interests change or begin a whole new bag when you’ve found a new fire for your fandom elsewhere. Above all else, wear your ita-bag loud and proud. 

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Michelle Tea: Thank you Vera Blossom, for this incredible spell slash fashion craft project. I really love this one. Acts of devotion like Vera’s Ita-Bag are so, so powerful. Sometimes magic calls us to wear our hearts on our sleeves, to flex that crucial, metaphorical muscle. As fans in thrall to art that moves us, we are witnesses to the mystery of creativity; as fans among fans, we find each other and become small covens, trading our enthusiasms and bonding over shared passions. Being a fan, I think, makes life worth living. May someone’s art sweep you off your feet this week.  

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This episode was produced and edited by Molly Elizalde, Tony Gannon, and Vera Blossom. We got production support from Veronica Agard, Kristine Mar, and Raven Yamamoto. Our executive producers are Ben Cooley, myself, and Molly Elizalde. Our original theme music is by John Kimbrough. 

Tune in next week for a conversation with Peaches Christ. Thanks for listening!