Vivek Shraya: Living As Many Lives For As Long As I Get

Following one muse has never been Vivek Shraya’s style. Today, the artist walks us through the sacredness in reinvention, what drives her will to create, and how she finds solace in religion. Michelle Tea details how she learned to accept change as an open door before Vera Blossom shares a spell to help us step through it.

Vivek Shraya: And I think like reinvention was how I interpreted reincarnation, especially as a queer person who didn't think I would live very long. I was like, I have to live as many lives in this life for as long as I get. 

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Michelle Tea: Hello, and welcome to Your Magic! I am your host, Michelle Tea, and today I will be talking with Vivek Shraya, the Canadian artist whose work ventures into literature, visual art, film, music and theater. We’re going to talk about inspiration, religion as a safe space, and who is magic, really? After that, Vera Blossom is here with a spell to facilitate change. 

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Michelle Tea: One thing that spending a lot of time with tarot, or with astrology will teach you, drilling it into your head again and again, is that the only constant is change. That’s an oldie but goodie from the ancient Greek Heraclitus, and it pops up a lot in metaphysical writings, because it’s succinct, and it’s true. With the tarot, you watch the movement of life in people’s readings; there are literally cards named ‘change’; there are cards for endings and cards for beginnings, the Death card, the tumbling Tower - thinking of the Thoth deck, my go-to, the only cards that aren’t about some form of change are about stagnation. In the philosophy of this deck, and perhaps all of tarot, if there isn’t movement, there’s decay.

Astrology might not not carry such an extreme message, but then, astrology is movement. All day every day, the planets drift through the signs, degree by degree, coming into alliances or picking fights with each other. I mean, a glance at the astrology app on my phone tells me that today alone, Venus is having a confab with my natal Pluto, Saturn has a bouquet of flowers for my natal midheaven, the Sun is doing something wild and wonderful, as is Jupiter and my natal moon — though my ruling planet, Uranus, is giving my natal Mercury the cold shoulder. Hmph. Those are only some of the planetary movements affecting only me today. The ancient Greeks, who loved to get groovy about big concepts, also said you can never step in the same river twice, and I think the same is doubly true about our cosmos.

A couple years ago I was getting an astrological check-in from Larry Arrington, an Aquarius astrologer I really dig and very much recommend. I was really going through it at the time. Speaking of change, my spouse had decided they didn’t want to be married to me anymore, they wanted to change it up and be with a new person. Having my aforementioned Venus in Capricorn, I was distraught. Their choices made no sense to me. To try to understand, I read their Chani horoscopes, and it was all about having to make extreme, life-altering changes. It was hard, at the time, to trust my own conclusions, colored as they were by hurt and resentment. I didn’t trust my ex, either, as they seemed flighty and unhinged. But. I did trust astrology. I always trust astrology. And if Chani was saying change was afoot, and inevitable, then I accepted it was so, no matter how much it poked at my puny and subjective concepts of fairness.

So, back to my astrology reading. Larry told me I was having a series of Uranus transits that are known in the astrology world as ‘divorce transits.’ Like, what? Oh, yeah. Larry mapped out when Uranus — the planet of sudden, tumultuous change — was making these exact hits on my life, and they synched up exactly with, first, when the vibe started unraveling between me and my ex, and then when my ex moved out of our house. I had one more coming, Larry forecast, a few months later, in June. It would be the grand finale of this season of unexpected change. With my ex more or less out of my life, I didn’t know what it could portend. But that was the month that my current husband proposed to me. So. Astrology. Playing pinball with us tiny humans since the dawn of time. 

For so many of us, when we think about change — or are whacked with it — we get stressed out. We put a lot of energy and resources into keeping our lives on this improbable, whirlingg rock as stable as possible. It can feel like evil forces are against us when our sand castles get knocked down. But the closer you get to these, and other, mystical practices, the more you get the feeling they’re trying to tell us something. That change is normal. Change is everything. If our cells didn’t turn over and replenish themselves, we’d be dead. If culture didn’t shift and evolve, we’d all have far less liberty than we do today. 

When I’m feeling shaken by changes that have happened, or anxious at changes that could, I flash on all the amazing things that have happened in my life as the result of a change I really hadn’t wanted. Babies, travel, big art projects, books, friendships. The more I think about it, the more the whole of my life appears to be built upon the fallout of change I didn’t ask for, but am so grateful for. Try it yourself, and see if you don’t wind up feeling like some trickster deity has been punking you all along, testing your ability to let go, and rewarding it with something better. 

Here’s Vivek.

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Michelle Tea: Well, welcome, Vivek, to your magic. Thank you for being on the pod.

Vivek Shraya: I love this title because it makes me feel like I'm magic.

Michelle Tea: That is the point. You are magic and everybody is magic. 

Vivek Shraya: No but if everyone is magic, then nobody's magic. 

Michelle Tea: Okay. I like that, too. Could it be that everyone is magic but some people's magic is just bright, is just obscured by so much trash that it's just barely emitting any sort of rays whatsoever? 

Vivek Shraya: I just kind of feel like if you bring guests on, they need to feel a little bit more magical than everybody else. So it's like everyone is magic, but you're most magical, you know? That's what I want to hear.

Michelle Tea: Oh, my God. You're so funny. I haven't read your I haven't read people change yet. So just to put that upfront, but everything I've read about it, it seems that it's about embracing change. I feel like that is a very spiritual concept. I feel like there's a lot of spiritual practices like globally that have at the crux of it, helping humans work with our total difficulty accepting changes large and small all around us. 

Vivek Shraya: Mm hmm. Yeah. Like in the book, I actually it's largely about reinvention, and I talk about how, for me, well, I learned the word reinvention through a Madonna review in the nineties. But how I was so fascinated in the nineties, just watching this woman who constantly was transforming herself and that like if she put out a new album, it meant a new look, a new aesthetic, a new religion. And I mean, some of it was all problematic or whatever, but it was so fascinating to me because it showed me this model of like, oh, we don't have to be just one person. And simultaneously in Hinduism, I grew up with this notion of reincarnation, where you're born again and then again again until you sort of like merge with the divine. And I think like reinvention was how I interpreted reincarnation, especially as a queer person who didn't think I would live very long. I was like, I have to live as many lives in this life for as long as I get. And so, yeah, it's, it's interesting you pick up on that because for me, I do feel like my relationship to reinvention and and change is a very spiritual one. Like, it's something I think one of the ways that I've been able to survive, to keep creating art, to have relationships, is through constantly changing myself, reinventing myself. And I do think there's something very sacred about about that. 

Michelle Tea: Where do you feel like your creativity comes from? I feel like you are so multidimensional, creative, and it's so fun to to witness. And it brings so much light into the world. And I'm just wondering, like, what does it feel like to you to feel inspired and where do you believe that that comes from?

Vivek Shraya: You know, going back to what I was saying, I really feel like being an artist gives me a sense of purpose. It gives me a sense of meaning. It gives me a reason to wake up in a world that often for queer, trans racialized people, doesn't feel worth waking up for. So I think that's a big part of where like the drive or the inspiration comes from. I also just really love the challenge. Like, what does it mean to like hear a word or phrase or have an idea and try to like pull it from here, wherever here is. Something very abstract and make it tangible and turn it into something that then can be engaged with, consumed a challenge, comfort, discomfort, you know, like that, that trajectory. I just find it so exciting and also like because, you know, I've been doing it for 20 years now. I'm constantly fascinated by the math of like what takes like what makes something connect. You know, I read this wonderful Neil Gaiman speech that I'm going to paraphrase terribly about how being a creative in the world is like putting a message in the bottle into the into the ocean. And every time you make something, you're putting it into the ocean. And like most of the time, it doesn't get to the other side and how that's like a very deeply painful thing. But when it does, it's a very beautiful thing and it's a very exciting thing. And I think that's also part of what draws me to being an artist is I'm always curious like what bottles will sink and what bottles will get to the other side. And it's never what you think. It's never what I think. I have no I am terrible at predicting what is accessible or popular or any of that stuff, and that's not really why I do it. But it is it is a math or a science that I will never figure out, and hence I keep doing it, if that makes sense. [109.3s]

I have to say really quickly to the other thing that drives me as an artist, and I say this with all sincerity, is like actually a deep sense of gratitude. I, you know, I love music so much. Like, I think about like even just talking about it makes me emotional. Like, I think about how much music saved me as a teenager, how much music means to me as an adult, like the power of a song and the way that it can feel transcendent, the way it can lift you out of the ordinary, lift you out of your body, give you an experience that's like beyond this world. And I think about every song I've consumed and how many artists have consumed in that way, in particular music. And I just feel such a huge debt to those artists. I'm like, You have given me so much. Not to mention artists who like, you know, like Tori Amos, who is like talking about sexual violence or talking about, you know, miscarriage is like this is this is like such what a gift to be able to to to engage in this work. And so as an artist, like, I will never be able to give Tori anything back. I'll say her for first name like we're best friends, but like, I will never be able to give so many of the artists, especially musicians who have given me so much. And so me making art is always from a place of like of that gratitude of trying to give in a different way. I might not be able to give to those artists, but how do I make art that might give someone just an even an iota of the kinds of joy and meaning that I have I have received and taken and swallowed from other artists and musicians. 

Michelle Tea: I love that and I totally agree with you. I'm so moved by art and that thought that you can, as an artist, give that feeling to someone is so wild. And you are. I mean, you might not be giving it to Tori, in particular but like who knows. The night is young. Who knows what the future holds, right? We don’t know. You know, it can be so hard to be in the world as a human being and just having this one thing that I can center my life around. You know, art, writing, whatever it is and know that like, well, I don't really understand very much, but I know I'm here for that. It's so grounding and centering and it gives me a lot of peace. 

You mentioned earlier in our conversation that you were raised Hindu. Do you still carry those beliefs in those faiths or do you feel influenced by them or have they morphed for you in some way as you as you grew up?

Vivek Shraya:  Yeah Like I mean I think a part of me will always identify as like a cultural Hindu, you know, like I think that like, you know, a big part of it's actually the music. So I grew up singing Bhajans, which are like devotional Hindu songs and like that's where I learned how to sing. So that will always inform my practice as a musician, as an artist. One of the things I've talked about in my early work is the ways in which, like religion actually for me was like a safe space because so many of the gods, you know, like even the idea of like gender non-conforming god like that exists in Hinduism. And so I oh like again feel a lot of gratitude for, for the kind of Hinduism I grew up in. I think where I've shifted my thinking is just becoming a lot more conscientious of the ways in which Hinduism is not like across the board in ideal religion, like despite me having access to ideal aspects of it, there's like a deep-seeded Islamophobia in the way that Hinduism is sometimes interpreted or practiced. And so I've become, especially in my work, a little bit more hesitant to to be perceived as making work that is like celebrating a religion that actually has hurt a lot of people as well. And so I think I've pulled back a little bit in that way, but I think on a personal level, I have an affinity for the the ritual and the customs and the ideas I grew up with.

One of the things I found really appealing about Hinduism is that there's sort of like a perceived idea of multiple gods, right? Like this is what Hinduism is known for. There's this God in that God and this God. And, you know, the way that it was once explained to me is that it offers that actually Hindus actually believe in a single God like a, you know, a single God, but like the different exteriors allows believers different access points. So if you're into this kind of thing, you've got this God. And if you're into elephants, you got that God. And I talk and people change about how for me, I think that that in some ways is how I also explain the joy of being a multidisciplinary artist. I don't fundamentally believe in a single like core me, you know, like in the book, the book really pushes against this idea of like authentic the authentic self. Like, I really hate that word so much because it, it suggests a singular true self. And I think that the most beautiful thing about life is actually the way that we hold many selves and that not one is more or less true. Sometimes our circumstances change, sometimes our perspectives change, sometimes our values change. But ultimately, who we are throughout our lives is authentic. Who we are in every chapter is true. And so it's been interesting too, for the first time in my work actually like to counter some of the like Hindu fundamentals that I grew up with in a very like deliberate way.

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Michelle Tea: I'm wondering, would you like to pull some tarot cards?

Vivek Shraya: I would. I'm in the midst of a kind of fractured relationship, and I'm. I'm worried about. I'm worried about its future and the impact that's going to have on me and them. Does that feel like enough? 

Michelle Tea: Absolutely. Okay. First thing I'll ask the tarot is what does it look like if things just continue on the current path without any sort of interference or intervention? 

Vivek Shraya: Well, I think part of what I'm anxious about is, is that there is an upcoming intervention. So I'm nervous about how that's going to impact an already fractured relationship.

Michelle Tea: Okay, so first I'm going to see, you know, what does it look like for you? So, you know, you can think about this while I'm shuffling. Can think about best case scenarios, worst case scenarios, you know, neutral scenarios. What does it look like for you on the other side of this intervention? Picking three cards. I love a three-card spread. Now I'm going to think about for the other person, you know, what is their energy going to be like on the other side of this intervention? How is it going to land with them? You know, more immediate effect that it will have? We're always thinking about time with tarot. And so it's not long term. Even if this is all like worst case scenario, you know, it could be very different and softer and, you know, a year. But I'm talking we're looking right now at like what's going to be the immediate effect of of this. Just because they're, you know, can feel like the apprehension and they're there seems like there is like a negative expectation. Right. Or you're preparing for that. If it's okay with you, I would like to also shuffle and be like, what? What are some energies for you to keep in mind moving forward as you process whatever whatever the result of it is.

Vivek Shraya: Sure sure.

Michelle Tea: Pick three cards on that. All right. So what's it going to be like for you? Okay, first card that comes up is Princess of Cups. She is very sweet and she's very emotionally astute. She knows where she's at emotionally and she's not like she's not cold and, like, detached from her emotions, but she's like in concert with them intellectually. She's like, Oh, look what I'm feeling right now. Like, she's very and from that place, she's actually really able to make a very beautiful offer of love. So there's this is suggesting to me that like this intervention is coming out of an impulse of love, if not towards this other person, that at the very least a love towards yourself and like what you want for yourself. Oh, and then we get the work cards. How interesting. So there's some emotional labor that's happening here. And and that is that's very interesting. It's Mars and Capricorn, you know, and the word emotional labor always sounds horrible, right? Nobody want that labor. It's unpaid. It's frustrating, you know, it's triggering. But there's something about this where at least in this particular situation, you're sort of born to do it in a way like it's part of your larger it might not be your your calling in the world, but it's certainly adjacent in a funny way to the calling in the world. And the reason I say that is because it's Capricorn and Capricorns love to climb the mountain, you know, and it's Mars and Capricorn. So and Mars is a motor, so it's built to push people up the mountain. And Capricorn is like, here we go up the mountain. 

This is a very grounded reading for you and I mean that actually seems nice considering it's the kind of reading that it is where there's like the possibility of emotional upset and the Knight of Disks is very Taurus. He's very grounded. He is the only knight in the in the tarot whose horse is not leaping into the sky. Horse has all four, four jobs on the ground is stop in to, you know, smell the hay and have a nibble. It's about taking a very deliberate pause. So after this whole thing is over, you might want a little bit of space from this person, even if it goes well, you know, you might you might want a little space. And that's totally okay for you to do that and like not feel any sort of pressure in the in the wake of it to be like, okay, we're great now or okay, I feel better. This is actually all about how sometimes doing nothing is a creative choice. It's a healthy choice. It's a choice. It's not like a a passive like neglect of action. It is it is an action. And that's displayed in this by the sun is reflecting off the Knight's shield and it's turning the hillside green. So him just hanging out there is a creative act it is a generative act. And so at the end of this emotional labor, you can have a pause. Okay, I can just, like, take a break and do what feels good for you. Now, how is this going to land with the other? Very interesting. While you are the Princess of Cups, this other person is the Queen of Cups. So while you're able to walk into this with a lot of emotional clarity and I think leave with a lot of emotional clarity, not the same for this person. This person is going to be very emotionally confused by this. You know, the queen of cups is so emotional that you can't actually see her face. She's been obscured by her emotions. So it's like, you know, and when we think about emotions, we love our emotions, obviously, but they can also get the best of us and make us really reactive. So it is a sort of reactive card in that way where but it's not it's not necessarily defensive. It's it's also that could be part of it. It's it's more of just of like ‘I'm so in my feelings. I don't know what to make of this’. God. This doesn't look good for this other person. So even more important then for you to really take care of yourself and be grounded and I would even say seem seeing how hard these cards are for this other person. I'm going to just reflect back on this three of discs Works card for you have boundaries around your work, right? Just make sure you have some boundaries around your work. Know what is your job quote, you know. Know what's in your job description here in what is not in your job description. So after we have this this queen of cups response of like emotional sort of overwhelm, we have another cups card with the seven of cups, which is another card of emotional overwhelm, and it's called Debauch in this deck. And it's because, you know, according to these tarot traditions, which which, you know, assigns meanings to numbers, the seven sevens are emotional numbers and cups as an emotional suit. So again, here we have this like overflow of emotion. And the way that it manifests in the seven of cups and in this deck is that it's like, okay, well, what do we do when we feel overly emotional? What's our coping mechanisms? And when this card comes up, it's usually a a coping mechanism that's old, that doesn't work anymore, that works against what we want for ourselves. And and we go right running right into it. So in that way, it's a metaphor for addiction. But and, you know, you are talking about intervention. I don't know if if this is literally an intervention around somebody who is doing something that sort of self-destructive. But if it's so, you can probably expect for the intervention to not, you know, do a magic trick and turn this person around. This person's probably going to be triggered and run right back into whatever, you know, unhealthy coping skill, skill that they've acquired over time. You know, something that at some point did the trick, you know, but this was not sustainable. And by the time the evidence of its unsustainability is apparent, the person is too attached to the coping mechanism to be able to see that clearly and be able to let go of it. So it's a hard card. The last card that comes up is another cups card, the Prince of Cups. It's so interesting that, you know, you guys, both of you start with a court card, which is in the same element. Right. And then you both move on to a minor arcana card, which is are in different elements, and then you're back to court cards again in different and different elements now. And you're able to go into this situation with, with emotion, with the with the Princess of Cups. Right. But then emerge really grounded from it with these earth signs, whereas this person is just in their emotions the whole time, they're not grounded. The Prince of Cups is really is is an interesting card. He's a bit of a hard card. He's a Scorpio. And, you know, Scorpios have a reputation for being very controlling and very interested in control. And the reason for that is they feel their emotions really acutely. And they get they get knocked off course by the ferocity of their emotions really easily. So it becomes a coping skill to try to control everything so that they're not accidentally no jack in the box, you know, pops out and freaks them out. So that's that's where that is coming from. It's is a sort of survival mechanism. But again, you know, like just like the seven of cups, not one that's sustainable, not one that you want for the long haul. So this Prince of cups is sort of skirting the surface. They could they are on a magical bird in this card that could go deep into the ocean and take them to amazing depth. It could also go really high into the sky and take them to amazing heights. But they are really afraid of both of those things. They're afraid of getting too deep. They're afraid of soaring too high. So they're just staying in this soggy ass middle ground that just and you can see there staring down into their cup. They're self-obsessed. They can't figure it out. It's almost like they're overthinking it. But it being the suit of cups and not swords, they're over feeling it. They're so just trying to think they're, you know, feel their way out of a situation that isn't it's not going to respond to that method. So, you know, should you be doing this intervention, you know, even though it looks like there's not a clear and beautiful result for this person? Yeah, absolutely. You should, because you're coming from a beautiful place with this princess of cups. This is a this is work that needs to be done for one reason or another. You know, with this three of of desks and then from the with the knight of desks, as the situation plays out and you pause, you're going to know what your next move is. It's going to give you more clarity and more direction around this person. So looking at what's helpful for you. You got the Heirophant card, which is sort of the major arcana higher value version of this Knight of Disks. So it is the tarot. The tarot message is really doubling down on like, you know, be in your knowledge, be grounded in your knowledge, be grounded in your wisdom about the situation. You know, the however this looks to you, however this lands for you, is true for you. And it's going to definitely just resonate with things that you already know. And moving forward, I think that this is a real like a learning lesson for you in some major way. And the Hereford, you know, he's a complicated card because he's very patriarchal. He's very about like tradition. But there's, you know, there's wonderful ways to, like, reinterpret that. And, you know, in our lives and think about like, well, what are our personal traditions and what are our personal knowledge banks and what do we know and how do we move forward and create a life based on what we know? And and it talks about different ways of knowing. There is this intuitive sort of like witch, you know, way of of of knowing. And then there's this little like child in the center of the chest that's all about like also a different kind of intuitive knowing of like, you know, first thought best thought, don't overthink it, you know? And then there is, you know, the wizened elder, which is about like I've been around the block and I know what I know what I'm seeing and I know where this is going. So it's really about like knowing, really being true, true to what you what this looks like to you. And the next card looks hard. It's the five of swords, it's defeat. So, yeah, you know, if you have expectations about this situation, they're going to be a little dashed. And so give yourself time to process that. You know, the swords cards are very mental. So it really is about how things affect our mental landscape. Often when the five of swords comes up, it's like, yeah, something, something does not go your way. And that sucks. But what's harder, the bigger risk is that then creating a narrative in your head that dictates future moves. So try not to write a story about it either about this particular person, your relationship, your ability to, you know, create change, you know, in people's lives, whatever, you know, whatever sort of story starts. You start telling yourself, try to really challenge that and just be like, you know, this might feel true for now, but we don't know the future. And I like this at the very end. Like you will be at peace about this situation. You will come to a place of peace, the two of swords. It's literally the peace card. It's it's moon in Libra.The moon is our emotional center. Libra wants to harmonize it, wants to balance it, wants to see the best of people, really. And I think that you will be able to return to a place of that after kind of allowing yourself to feel the sting of defeat. Does all of this makes sense? I know we're kind of talking about the future, so who's to say but. 

Vivek Shraya: Oh, yeah. Thank you. I appreciate this very much. It's exactly what I'm worried about. So it just confirms all the things that I'm. I'm concerned about. 

Michelle Tea: It is good to know. Hopefully it will be helpful. Like, as you actually walk through the situation, I'm sorry that it wasn't filled with, you know, sun cards and star cards and all the fucking tarot cards you want to come up.

Vivek Shraya: You I mean, even if they were where I wouldn’t have believed you. So. So this feels a lot more realistic in my mind.

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Vera Blossom: Hi, I’m Vera Blossom a producer here on Your Magic. Today, I’ve got a spell to help you with accepting change that you’re afraid of.

Change is scary. Even after a few years of studying the Tarot and telling people that the Tower and Death cards are only temporary setbacks and can often be good tidings in disguise, seeing them still fills me with dread. The catastrophe in the Tower scares me. The lightning strike, the explosion — it’s not exactly a welcoming image at first glance. This spell will help us see the that endings can lead to new, hopeful beginnings.

First, take a look at the Tower card — pull the one from your go-to tarot deck or look up an image if you can’t. Take it in.

Close your eyes and imagine the tower before the disaster. Visualize the inside of the tower and fill it up with all the thoughts in your head. The good thoughts and the bad thoughts. Fill the hallways of that tower with your best memories: hangouts with friends, sunrises, sunsets, the smell of the ocean and clean laundry, your favorite meal, your pet, random acts of kindness, art, books, laughter. 

Now, fill the tower with your anxieties, and your worries. Bills that are due, national disasters, oppressive legislature, poverty, the weird thing you did at that party, the worst thing that happened to you in high school.

FIll the tower to the brim until you can’t think anymore - until that tower is impossible to walk through. It feels heavy, immovable, permanent.

Look back at the tarot card. Take it in: the lightning, the explosion, the debris flying everywhere.

Close your eyes. Imagine the aftermath of disaster. The bricks of the tower scattered everywhere, your memories like objects strewn about by a tornado. The tower is no longer there.

Imagine yourself collecting the bits of the tower to build something new. Leave behind the anxieties and dark thoughts, collect only what matters to you. Maybe you build another tower, this one emptier and free to move around in. Maybe you build an ampitheatre, or a museum, or a house, or a cute brick cottage. Its up to you. The tower is gone and you’re free to make whatever you want with whats left.

Take a deep breath. Exhale. Put the death card back in your deck and shuffle. 

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Michelle Tea: Thank you Vera Blossom for that very helpful spell. When I first learned Vera was going to do a change spell for this episode, I actually asked if it would be a spell to allow for change, or to stop change. And everyone on our team sort of looked at me and was like, um, a spell to stop change would sort of be bad energy. Oh. Yeah. Right! Did not mean to reveal so much about my psyche like that but, oh well. 

Wherever you are in your life - in the midst of some sparkling, excellent changes or working to ramp things up with some invigorating newness; fighting against change you hadn’t wanted, or struggling to stop fighting and let the unknown in, we hope you’re able to find some peace, a higher perspective, some personal power, whatever it is you need. Until next time.

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