Alison Wonderland: Psychedelics & Sobriety
What does energy look like? EDM artist Alison Wonderland attempts to explain her mushroom visions. Plus, a sober artist seeks out the tarot hotline, wondering if she’s on the right path.
Alison Wonderland: That's the thing about spirituality and supernatural — or whatever people call it — it's just science that we can't prove yet. And I really believe that, you know.
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Michelle Tea: This is Your Magic, a Spotify Original from Parcast Studios and Your Magic Media. I’m Michelle Tea.
Today we’re getting groovy with Alison Wonderland, who I spoke to about psychedelics weeks before taking a trip of my own. Her motto fuck me up on a spiritual level gives you a sense of her style of athletic mysticism.
Next I’ll share the spell I used to begin that recent mushroom trip I went on. And it’s a spell that can be adapted by anyone on the verge of stepping into the unknown.
And finally we’’ll close this episode with a caller to the Your Magic Tarot Hotline, from a sober artist who wonders if painting is just another addiction.
Stay with us.
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Michelle Tea: So. I’ve been sober for eighteen years. I got sober because I’m an alcoholic, and I had been since high school. I’m really glad I quit. I promise you, I would not be here talking to you on this podcast, if I hadn’t gotten sober. I can’t drink. And I can’t do drugs. But, what about psychedelics?
For years now I have been increasingly intrigued by psychedelics. And that’s not random — psychedelics have been having a revival, from psilocybin microdosing to ayahuasca ceremonies. On Election Day 2020, Oregon even became the first state to legalize mushrooms.
I’ve felt really jealous of the people who were able to have these profound experiences with psychedelic plant medicine. I believe in their magic, their ability to wake up slumbering parts of our psyche and hit them with a lightning bolt of revelation. I began practicing breathwork, which is naturally mind-blowing. It brought me clarity about a lot of things in my life, including that I could have psychedelic experiences, and it wouldn’t necessarily compromise what I knew to be my sobriety.
Though this is a highly controversial stance to take, I’m not the only sober alcoholic who believes ingesting psychedelics doesn’t have to compromise my sobriety. An underground recovery group, called Psychedelics in Recovery, exists as a support network for alcoholics and addicts who hold psychedelics in a category apart from, like, weed or cocaine, and who use it specifically for spiritual and personal growth purposes.
So, after literally years of thought, prayer, so many tarot readings, I made the decision to eat a few funky stems of magic mushrooms. I had a vision of a frothing white waterfall, or like a collection of waterfalls, and out from it stepped the Goddexx, OK, just this giantess, and the water wasn’t water it was energy, and just forget it — it was all psychedelic logic. It’s tedious to describe and possibly ridiculous but it felt meaningful, and was beautiful.
That was a few months ago. Since then, I feel pretty normal. I don’t want to drink alcohol or snort speed, because they are still gross to me — thank Goddexx — and because I know I am still a 100 percent an addict. I’m an alcoholic who can’t control what I do once those substances are inside me.
But I’m excited by the prospect of integrating occasional psychedelics into my mystical practice. Like Bill W., the founder of AA — who 20 years into his own sobriety had an enlightening experience with LSD — I’m “intrigued by the spiritual potential.”
Now let’s join Alison Wonderland who is no stranger to the occasional psychedelic experience.
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Michelle Tea: Alison, thanks for being here. I'm so curious about the type of energy you're running when you're performing and does it feel like it has a spiritual or a mystical dimension to you?
Alison Wonderland: Yeah, 100 percent. I really feel like performing, I'm I'm on another level. I'm not on Earth. I really do feel like I can blackout. It's really primal for me. You know, I feel like I'm just letting everything out and I'm my purest self up there. I have a tagline which is fuck me up on a spiritual level. And basically, I want everybody to just feel something above just being there and I want them to forget about what's going on in their lives and just kind of be on that level with me. And I really do feel like that happens sometimes. And I do feel quite connected to the people I play shows for.
Michelle Tea: Does songwriting feel at all like spell-casting to you or like what is the feeling of it when songs come to you?
Alison Wonderland: It's so weird because sometimes it feels like I'm coming up with concepts that later on make sense to me. I'm writing some stuff at the moment. And the whole concept of it is dealing with being alone and the positive and negatives of finding yourself through loneliness and all that kind of stuff. And I don't want to make it completely negative. I'm actually trying to make it about hope right now. But when I started writing these songs, which had that concept around it, I wasn't alone. And now I am. And I feel like a lot of what I was writing kind of is kind of helping me through what's happening now. But in the past, I'd found that more kind of like my subconscious was helping me realize a lot. On my last album, I wrote a song called “Church,” and that was when I realized I needed to get out of like an old relationship. And because of that song, I made moves in my life because I had realized that my mind was really trying to tell me something.
Michelle Tea: Wow. it sounds like you're able to tap into some sort of part of your of your mind that almost can see the future a little bit or like has a sense, like an intuitive sense of what's coming.
Alison Wonderland: I mean, I've definitely felt really intuitive my entire life. And so is my mother. And my grandfather was really intuitive, too, I think that if something feels right, that's the thing about spirituality and supernatural — or whatever people call it — it's just science that we can't prove yet. And I really believe that, you know, this is all whatever we feel, there's definitely a truth to it. And, you know, that many people can't or, you know, be believing in that or feeling that and it not have some sort of truth to it. Intuition is definitely real.
Michelle Tea: What do you think the energy is like?
Alison Wonderland: I mean, energy is just something that you can't see that you feel.
When I do shrooms, I really feel like there's so much energy that I can see and feel that we can't usually see and feel. I feel like maybe we're only able to see a certain amount of this world in a certain dimension.
Michelle Tea: What did the energy look like when you were able to see it?
Alison Wonderland: Oh, OK. So it was really weird. I have I like to trip occasionally just because it helps. It makes me feel really cleansed every time.
You know what was crazy recently? And usually I'll just see, you know, colors. And I'll hear music differently with more detail and, you know, I'll understand visuals more and all that kind of stuff. But recently I had an experience where I was laying on my floor of my bedroom, actually it was in my closet. But I lay on the floor of my my closet and I looked up and there was like this web of layers and it's it looked like strands of, I don't know, DNA or something that wasn't... kind of almost digital. I don't know how to explain it. And then on top of it was this entity looking at me. But it didn't really have eyes. I could just, I just knew it was an entity and I can't explain it. And it was just kind of like over, I could just see it breathing. And I knew it was like a thing.
Michelle Tea: What did it look like? What did it look like?
Alison Wonderland: It just looked like it was an energy. It may have not even been in this dimension. I don't know. But it was just existing. It was just existing and breathing. There was no face. There was no body. I don't know.
Michelle Tea: You guys were aware of each other, though?
Alison Wonderland: Yeah.
Michelle Tea: I like thinking that in some other dimension there's some other creature who had taken a substance and saw you.
Alison Wonderland: Can you imagine?
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Michelle Tea: Can I can I read your cards for you?
Alison Wonderland: Of course.
Michelle Tea: Thank you. Do you know what you'd like to pull cards on? Or is there anything you'd like to know about?
Alison Wonderland: Yes.
Michelle Tea: Oh cool. OK great.
Alison Wonderland: As I mentioned earlier, I was writing a lot about being OK with being alone. And I'm alone now. And I really want to, you know, look into having a family soon and all that kind of stuff. And I'm just wondering if I'm going to have to do that on my own or if that's something that maybe I'll be able to do with someone and find someone who is like my best friend partner. But, at the moment, it's not looking good.
Michelle Tea: OK. All right. Cool. Well, you know how I'd like to do this is pull cards on: what would it look like if you were just as you are today, what would what would it look like for you to just move towards having a child on your own? What does that path look like for you? We'll pick three cards on that. And then I'll shuffle and ask, with the idea of what does it look like to, for you to hold off and wait for somebody special to come into your life to co-parent that child with. So.
Alison Wonderland: Let's go.
Michelle Tea: OK. OK cool. All right. So first, I'm going to shuffle for just as you are right now with all of the resources that you already have.
What would it look like for you to just undertake this this project of having a baby and starting your family without a partner, being your own partner? Pulling in the support support of people in your sphere. You know, just to kind of be your little support system. What does that path look like? Picking three cards. And now what does it look like to hold off on the baby plan for the moment and sort of see about manifesting a partner, a romantic partner who also wants that? And who would be good at it. Somebody who wants to be a co-parent with you. What does it look like to hold off the baby plan until that person appears in your life? OK, and I'm pulling three cards for that, so let's hit the the go-for-it trio first.
OK. Oh. This card is called Success. It's the Six, it's the Six of Disks. Disks is great for a pregnancy question because they rule the physical. They rule our bodies and they rule birth. You know, six, six is the number of beauty and perfection. I believe it's Tiferet in the Tree of Life. And so all the sixes is in the tarot are beautiful. And so this one is called Success and it's the moon, moon in Taurus, which is lovely. And then the Devil. Very interesting card. Oh, my gosh. I want to see what comes after it because this is a very powerful card. And sometimes sometimes it's positive. Sometimes it's negative. It really depends. This looks this looks good. You got the Four of Cups on the other side, so. Oh my God. I want to know all the cards at once. I feel so excited. So let me just slow down and tell this story. So, yes, you can. You can do it. You can. You can totally have a kid on your own. And it would be beautiful. And it would be great. And it would be, it would rule the rest of your life in the most profound way. That's what this Devil card is. When the Devil card comes up. A lot of times it means that we are no longer in charge of our self. We're no longer the ruler of our own destiny. So it comes up a lot around, you know, addiction. It comes up a lot around toxic relationships. But it also comes up around things sometimes that are very positive, like somebody who is a sort of obsessed artist who's really obsessed with creating their art. The Devil card could come up because it's almost like they can't allow anything else in except that artistic impulse. And also having a child, it's like you've now undertaken something and every decision that you make from now on is going to be based on this. So it's.
Alison Wonderland: So basically I'll be a good mom.
Michelle Tea: I mean, yeah, I think you would be a great mom. And I think that there's also something, you know, I mean, the Devil card, the origin of it is like a pagan God pan. Who's this, like, sort of fun, lusty, mischievous, trickster God who had horns and he became the Devil, you know, through when when Christianity sort of overtook these pagan ideas. But, you know, at his root, he's he's sort of like lusty and playful and childlike. So there's something really good about that. With the Luxury card here — this Four of Cups is called the Luxury card — I feel like it's really saying that emotionally, you've got this. This is a card of emotional stability. And it's not making big promises like you can see at the bottom of the card. The water is choppy. So it's these three, I'm sorry, these four beautiful golden cups sitting on the water that's kind of choppy. So it's saying that, like, while it is a card of emotional stability, it's also like emotions are never stable. So you know there's going to be ups and downs. But but what it's also saying is that you're sort of prepared for it. Like, you know, there's going to be ups and downs, you know, and you'll be able to weather those downs. And when you're up, you're gonna be way up. And I like this. I like this little triad for your question. I think it's very kind of like, you know, starting off really strong with a yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And then being like but just so you know, everything's going to massively change and it's going to be a little up and down. But that's having a baby for you.
So let's see what it looks like to look for a co-partner. OK. Another Disk, the Five, the Five of Disks is the first card in this draw, which is called Worry. It's kind of the opposite of the Six of Disks. It's very – energetically it's the opposite. So that's interesting. Let's see what's next. The Hierophant, another major arcana, which is interesting. And then the third card is Change, Two of Disks. OK, so you have two. These are all very earthbound cards. The Five of Disks and the Two of Disks, which is called Change. And then the Hierophant, the Hierophant is a card about it's a Taurus card. It's a card about knowledge and who has the knowledge and the keeper of the knowledge. And it's interesting, coming up in a reading like this, where you're looking for a partner and it's almost making me wonder, is there a part of you that feels like you need somebody else because like you feel like you don't know what to do. Like you need somebody else who's going to sort of maybe come in and with more knowledge or knowledge from a different sphere than you to kind of help you. I mean, help you have — not just help you have the kid, but help you actually raise the kid. Because what's interesting is, like, it doesn't. It looks like I mean, the Hierophant is a great card and it is kind of a dad card in this funny way. But it's sort of like patriarchal dad knowledge. You know, it's a little bit, man. It's a little bit mansplain-y of a card. And so it really, it can be, it depends on, you know, again, where it's being placed. And then you have this Change card afterwards. I feel like there's going to be something very empowering for you to go forward and take, undertake this on your own without a partner. I think it's going to be actually really empowering for you. And I mean, the fact that this this these three cards asking what what if I wait for a partner? It starts with a really negative card and then it ends with Change. So I feel like it's almost a funny thing that I wouldn't be surprised if you started doing this on your own and then you met someone while you're in the process, or maybe you even have a kid, you know, you have a young child, and then you do meet somebody who ends up coming into your life and being part of that child's life.
Alison Wonderland: Yeah.
Michelle Tea: But it looks like-
Alison Wonderland: That's what my mom said. She's like you-
Michelle Tea: Oh, really?
Alison Wonderland: She's like, I think, you know, you could always meet someone later because, you know.
Michelle Tea: Oh yeah.
Alison Wonderland: That's definitely funny that you say that.
Michelle Tea: Yeah. I mean, that's what it looks like to me. I mean, the Hierophant is is great. I mean, as far as what I'm the biggest thing I'm getting from this is that the very first card, you know, you see in both of these, like do it on my own, you start with the big yes disks card. Wait for a partner, you start with a big no disks card. So I feel like I like when the tarot is very clear to me. So I'm gonna respect that. And the Devil is like also doing something really daring that you're like maybe you're not supposed to do is also the Devil card. And it is still, I think, a little daring even in this day and age for a woman to just be like, I'm gonna do this on my own. I'm going to start my own family. You know, I'm going to like take control of this situation and not wait for somebody else. So and um and the Hierophant in the way that he he contains so much knowledge. I just I just want you... And the Devil contains a lot of knowledge, too. So I want I feel like the tarot is wanting you to recognize where you might be a little afraid like but maybe I don't know how to do it. I need somebody here who knows more than me, you know, like because you don't actually need that. You don't you don't need it.
Alison Wonderland Cool. And if my fans are listening. Don't worry. It doesn't mean I'm going to stop.
Michelle Tea: Oh you're never going to stop.
Alison Wonderland: No. You'll still see me everywhere. It's just gonna be slightly less after party sets. But we can we can deal with that.
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Michelle Tea: I love that Alison has this big amazing life, and she’s not afraid to call some major change into that. Babies are such game-changers, right, they bring problems to solve and they bring so much big crazy love. It’s so good to shake our lives up like that. I feel like I kind of just did that with my psychedelic decision. It’s like you make this daring choice and suddenly you’re on a whole new path.
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Michelle Tea: Here is a simple spell I used before taking the mushrooms. You can use it whenever you’re about to step onto a whole new path of your own.
You’ll need a candle, a rock or crystal, something fragrant to burn and a glass of water. Add any objects that resonate with your intention — like I used some kitschy mushroom decor, and a glass evil eye.
Set yourself up at an altar or at a makeshift altar. Call upon whoever you’re asking for help: the universe, a deity, ancestors, spirit guide. State your intention, name your wish.
Then lay out your objects, acknowledging the energies they represent. Light your candle asking the element of fire to bring you passion. Arrange your rocks asking the earth to keep you grounded. Burn your herbs asking the element of air to bring you clarity. And place your glass of water while asking that element to keep your emotions level and guided by love. Now, take courage, and step out into the great unknown.
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Michelle Tea: For those of you who need more than a basic ritual to help you navigate life’s unknowns, please know you can contact Your Magic and I will perhaps pick tarot cards for you! Email us at hello@thisisyourmagic.com, or call us at 201-754-8725 and leave us a message like this:
Cate: Am I really supposed to be a painter? I'm not sure. Even though I've been doing it for 20 years, I think I may have taken a wrong turn.
Michelle Tea: That’s Cate, an artist on the precipice of turning her whole life upside-down.
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Michelle Tea: Cate, thank you for calling the Your Magic Hotline.
Cate: Thanks for picking my problem.
Michelle Tea: You started painting when you were 30. And you were coming off the heels of, like, a really intense time.
Cate: Yes. I mean, yeah, the first part of my whole life. The feeling of emptiness, just agony, living, you know, and doing a lot of just self-destructive things to feel better. And yeah when I started painting it, it gave me a different experience of life that felt doable. And so, of course, I thought, oh well, this is it. This is the thing that I've been needing.
Michelle Tea: So for a while you were able to just focus all of that energy just on painting and you were at peace. How long were you at peace for with it?
Cate: Not that long, maybe three, four months. What made me keep sticking with it was just the magnitude of the deliverance that I felt during those three or four months. It was like a major transformation, like awakening.
Michelle Tea: Wow.
Cate: Because I really didn't know what other options I had or was afraid to experiment with other options.
Michelle Tea: Did you, during that era return to like former addict-y ways of coping with life?
Cate: Yes.
Michelle Tea: You did.
Cate: Totally.
Michelle Tea: And you were painting the entire time.
Cate: Yeah. Trying. And it's almost like from then on the two parts were just like in competition with each other.
Michelle Tea: Just listening to a little bit. I was like, well, jeez, it seems like maybe the problem here is something about an addict disposition that then sort of becomes addict-y with whatever sort of is the...
Cate: Right that anything that feels good becomes the thing that you're chasing after.
Michelle Tea: Yeah,
Cate: And it ruins the good things.
Michelle Tea: You know, making art makes you have to sit in your own mind. And that's hard. I mean, our whole culture is built around getting people out of their minds, like watch TV, drink, smoke weed, but artists have to sit in their mind, and that is really hard. And when you have an addict's mind, it's filled with landmines.
So right now you're painting. You've been painting. That's where you're at. So we're going to start with that. I'm going to shuffle these cards and I'm going to ask and you're going to ask, like, what does it look like if you continue investing yourself in painting as you have been right? Like it, just keeping it there, moving towards it in spite of the agony, you know, like…
Cate: OK
Michelle Tea: And we can pick cards around what the agony is. But for now, just as far as like what action to take, what does it look like for you to just like continue to embrace this?
Cate: OK.
Michelle Tea: I'm going to pick three cards. And now you're talking about, OK, should I do some other things. Like do you want to pick cards on acting?
Cate: Let's say something more performance-oriented that's like improv or comedy, but not necessarily acting.
Michelle Tea: So this is more performance, dare I say performance art. Some sort of hybrid performance.
Cate: Maybe so.
Michelle Tea: OK. Hybrid, performance, comedy. Something where you’re using your body and you’re speaking and you’re moving.
Is there something else that you're imagining? If you if you kind of put painting down for a moment, that you would like to explore?
Cate: Just really being like a wandering, like monk, mystic type person
Michelle Tea: Wandering monk mystic, OK.
Cate: That doesn't have any plan, any idea of what they're trying to do.
Michelle Tea: Oh my god. Just like cosmic, being the fool, jumping off the cliff, like I am not defined by what I do. I am not defined by what I produce. I am a creature on the planet exploring. Love that.
Cate: Yes.
Michelle Tea: Love that very much.
So let's see what three what the cards we have for Cate. Continuing to paint, continuing to paint: Knight of Cups. It's a beautiful card. It's a heart offering. And then we have Prince of Disks, hard-working, slow and steady and stubborn. We have the Princess of Cups getting-
Cate: Wow.
Michelle Tea: -an emotional card, but not emotional in an overwhelming or messy or cloudy way, like a person who sees their emotions for what they are and are able to kind of like exist in peace and happiness with their emotions.
Let's see, what would it look like if you did this performance thing? Queen of Cups, another court card here. Adjustment. And Love, Two of Cups. Wow, this is a process for you to do something like this. This is a, it's an upward trajectory. The story that it's telling.
Cate: Right.
Michelle Tea: She's got a lot of emotion, a lot of inspiration. She's water. But look at you can't even see her face. Her face is obscured by steam, which is more emotion. So she's sort of like the opposite of the Princess of Cups, which is saying to me a little bit is like you actually have gained so much ground in painting, even though it might still torture you. There's something about, you know how to do it, you know what to do, and that is meaningful. That means something that you might be taking for granted a tiny bit, because switching over like this is going to rip that away from you, which might ultimately be a good thing, but it's going to take a little bit of adjustment. Here's the adjustment card, this Libra balance card where you have to figure it out and you're like, oh, maybe I... I thought it was going to be all these things, but maybe it's just these two sort of themes or these, you know, like how do I merge them and where do I bring it and what does it look like. Like there's a lot of questions and decisions to be made around it. There is. And at first I think you're going to be maybe a little overwhelmed by that. Like it's almost like it's an impulse that you haven't fully thought through. And now to say, OK, I'm going to do it. Now, it's like, oh, and now it's time to think it through. And there's actually a lot. But fulfilling? Very much. The Two of Cups, the Love card, the beginning — you know, it's not an ace, but it's a two. It's very close to the ace. And so I see this is like a beginning of a new I don't even know if it's a whole new path. I feel like it's an offshoot of your existent creative path, you know, and because because what I see here is like so far, I don't see one or the other. I see. I see.
Cate: Right.
Michelle Tea: Yes. You paint and you make room in your life to explore this and start start sorting out, OK, what what what do I mean by this? What am I really thinking about? What what are some themes? What are some ideas that I have? Flush them out, you know, figure out the nuts and bolts of it, troubleshoot like whatever comes up and you're going to find that it's super rewarding and it might give you a little bit of that emotional lift that you're looking for with your creativity. But don't be scared if at first you're like, what if this is just another problem to solve? It is a problem to solve, but I think it would be gratifying for you to solve it.
Now, let's see about you being a wandering monk. Oh, my God. The Death card.
Cate: [gasps]
Michelle Tea: You can't pull some Into the Wild shit, Cate. And just like, go into the woods with a pocketful of birdseed and be like, here I am and like, feed yourself to a wolf. You can't do that. Not allowed.
So let's see our next card, eh. You know, not not awesome the Prince of, Prince of Swords.
Cate: What?
Michelle Tea: He's just like, you know, he's this guy who he's trying to do something but he's not doing it right. He thinks he's got the right you know, he wants the chariot to move forward as we all do. But the things pulling his chariot are these little fairies that are no match for his big chariot and he's recognizing that. He's about to slice the reins. His sword is drawn. So it's recognizing like, oh, I thought I thought I could do this or I wanted to do it, but I guess I didn't really think it all the way through, did I? Oh, no. And then you get the Futility card. This is a bad idea, Cate.
Cate: Wow.
Michelle Tea: This is a bad idea. The Futility card is so this is so funny because the Futility card is astrologically — it's the Seven of Swords — and it is astrologically Moon in Aquarius. OK? So this is like basically really intellectually biting off more than you can chew. It's a dream that looks really cool and sounds really cool. But actually it's not functional. It's like we it's like we forget we're humans, you know.
Cate: OK.
Michelle Tea: I'm sorry, my friend. There is no, no, no deep hippie wandering for you right now. It's really not an option. You're like, I thought I was doing this cool thing to sort of save myself. And instead you were probably doing this like wild, addict-y thing. And then you're like, oh, I'm so crazy why'd I do that? And then you, like, feel super bad about yourself. That's that story. But the story over here-.
Cate: OK.
Michelle Tea: -is like it's really there's something also very interesting about these cards. These cards are very positive. Your cards for writing, I'm sorry, your cards for painting are very positive. Your cards for performing are ultimately positive after you get through the process. But all of these cards are very ordinary. And that's so interesting to me because it's like in in a sense, it's like I know you're looking, if you're talking about art-making being agony from you, I know you're looking for relief from the agony. But I also wonder a little bit about, like the addicted desire to have to be able to get high from everything, you know? And it's like some- and it's like you just can't, you know. And it's like if we abandon awesome things because they stop getting us high, we are just a cuckoo bananas person who is just like chasing-
Cate: Fantasies.
Michelle Tea: Yeah, chasing fantasies and giving up on things that are meaningful. And it's like sometimes our job is just to stay in that place of discomfort and be like, all right, here we all are like, I don't know why I'm wired to crave, you know, these sort of like heightened experiences all the time, but it's not realistic. And I have to just sit with that disappointment. It like my little human life, right, where I'm not like a starburst or a tornado. I'm just like a human. And finding a new way to be in relationship to it, I think is always good. But it's it's not always something that's going to get you like, high, you know.
Cate: It makes a lot of sense. OK.
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Michelle Tea: I did that reading for Cate some months ago, and since then she’s actually taken the tarot’s suggestion and that she start some performance project, and she started a YouTube show called “How to Paint.” She likened to Bob Ross, if Bob Ross was grappling with the meaning of his existence.
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Michelle Tea: At the end of this episode, I’m feeling really struck at how brave we all are. I mean, every day, so many of us are making these big decisions, or even little decisions that wind up having big consequences. Have a baby. Move to the woods. Expand your mind. Whatever major life decision you may be on the verge of making, or in the process of integrating, we salute your courage and we wish you safety and bright vibes, always.
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This episode was produced and edited by Molly Elizalde, Tony Gannon, and Vera Blossom. We got extra production support from Veronica Agard, Kristine Mar, and Raven Yamamoto. Our executive producers are Ben Cooley, myself, and Molly Elizalde. Our original theme music is by John Kimbrough.
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